THALIA ZEDEK INTERVIEW for Dagger ZINE by R. Sell - May 9, 2008
How do you feel about the current state of
indie / underground music and who (if any) do you
feel is leading the way?
I THINK THAT THE STATE OF INDIE MUSIC SEEMS TO BE
REALLY HEATHY RIGHT NOW. AT LEAST IN BOSTON, THE CLUB
SCENE IS FLOURISHING FOR THE FIRST TIME IN YEARS, AND
IT ALSO SEEMS THAT PEOPLE ARE LISTENING TO MORE MUSIC
NOW, MAYBE BECAUSE OF BEING ABLE TO EXPLORE AND CHECK
OUT NEW STUFF CHEAPLY VIA THE INTERENET. THERE SEEMS
TO BE LESS DEPENDENCE ON RADIO IN TERMS OF NEW BANDS
GETTING HEARD AND I THINK THAT IS A GOOD THING, AS
COMMERCIAL RADIO HAS BECOME A TOTAL JOKE PRETTY MUCH.
SO I THINK THAT IT'S VERY HEALTHY THAT THERE ARE NEW
And INEXPENSIVE WAYS TO GET YOUR MUSIC OUT.
THERE ARE SO MANY NEW TANGENTS HAPPENING NOW IN INDIE
MUSIC , THAT I CAN'T REALLY NAME ONE ACT THAT I FEEL
IS LEADING THE WAY. THINGS FEEL PRETTY SPLINTERED AND
I DON'T THINK THAT THE TERM "INDIE" DESCIBES A
PARTICULAR SOUND, AS IT HAD IN THE PAST. BUT I THINK
THAT IS A GOOD THING TOO.
After your first band White Women broke up you
formed The Dangerous Birds with Lori Green and after
releasing a 7" and compilation track the Birds also
folded. You were quoted as saying that the birds
"were to poppy, not violent enough, so I started
playing with men". You have come along way with
bands like Uzi, Live Skull and Come to a much
quieter place. Can you explain the journey?
THAT WAS KIND OF A STUPID THING FOR ME TO SAY ,
THE "PLAYING WITH MEN "THING. I THINK IT WAS MORE THAT
AFTER ABOUT 4 OR 5 YEARS PLAYING IN ALL WOMEN BANDS
,IT WAS A CONSCIOUS DECISION NOT TO DO THAT AGAIN,AT
LEAST FOR AWHILE! I THINK AT SOME POINT DURING LIVE
SKULL, I FELT THAT I WANTED TO PLAY IN A MORE "SONG "
ORIENTED BAND, AS OPPOSED TO A "SOUND " ORIENTED BAND.
I DEFINATLEY GOT CLOSER TO THAT IN COME, AND NOW I'VE
STRIPPED THINGS DOWN EVEN MORE, THOUGH I MUST SAY THAT
LATELY I'VE FOUND MYSELF WRITING LOUDER STUFF AGAIN.
I would imagine that performing these more
intimate songs live could be a little more stressful
because you cant hide behind a wall of guitars. It's
a totally different type of show. How was the transition? Any Cat Power type moments?
MY TWO CONSTANT PLAYING COMPANIONS, DANIEL COUGHLIN
(DRUMS) AND DAVE CURRY (VIOLA) ARE BOTH REALLY STRONG
AND SUPPORTIVE MUSICIANS ,SO I'VE ACTUALLY FELT PRETTY
COMFORTABLE ON STAGE.I DO (ON RARE OCCASIONS) PLAY
SOLO , AND THAT DEFINATLEY CAN BE A BIT HARROWING,
BUT I JUST TRY TO HAVE ASENSE OF HUMOR ABOUT. IF I
FUCK UP, I M MORE PRONE TO JUST LAUGH AT MYSELF, AS
OPPOSED TO KINDA FALLING APART. TO ME PLAYING LIVE IS
MORE ABOUT COMMUNICATION THAN PRECISION.
Your few most recent albums ( 2001's Been Here
And Gone, 2002's Your A Big Girl Now and 2004"s
Trust Not Thoes in Whom Without Some Touch Of
Madness) have a timeless quality to them. How do the
songs come together and what is the recording
process like? How important is the location itself
in regards to recording. Do you perffer a isolated
country setting or the hustle and chaos of the city?
IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SAY, BECAUSE EACH RECORD HAD
DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES,IE: DIFFERENT STUDIOS,
DIFFERENT ENGINEER /PRODUCERS AND THE SONGS CAME
TOGETHER QUITE DIFFERENTLY. I COME UP WITH THE BASICS
OF THE SONGS, THAT IS, THE CHORD CHANGES, MELODY, AND
LYRICS, AND THEN PLAY THEM WITH DAVE AND DANIEL, WHO
COME UP WITH THEIR OWN PARTS, AND ADD RYTHMIC AND
MELODIC IDEAS AS WELL.WE'LL WORK ON THE ARRANGEMENTS
TOGETHER, THOUGH I KIND OF RESERVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE
THE FINAL SAY. SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE I'LL MAKE THE
SKETCH FOR THE DRAWING, BUT WE ALL FILL IN THE COLORS.
IN TERMS OF STUDIOS I DON'T THINK I'M TOO AFFECTED BY
THE LOCATION IN TERMS OF COUNTRY VS. CITY. WE TEND TO
RECORD IN SHORT INTENSE BURSTS SO I RARELY LEAVE THE
STUDIO ANYWAY. SOMETIMES I FEEL THAT THERE ARE
BENEFITS TO RECORDING CLOSE TO HOME THOUGH. JUST NOT
HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT ACCOMODATIONS, OR WHERE TO GET
FOOD, AND TO BE ABLE TO LISTEN TO MIXES ON A STEREO
THAT YOU'RE ACCUSTOMED TO. IT KIND OF BEATS SLEEPING
IN THE STUDIO, OR GOING BACK TO A MOTEL 6 ROOM, BOTH
OF WHICH I'VE DONE IN THE PAST. SO I THINK THAT I
PREFER THAT, THOUGH I WOULDN'T SAY THAT IT WAS MORE
IMPORTANT THAN WORKING IN A GREAT STUDIO WITH A GREAT
ENGINEER OUT OF STATE.
Looking back over your career, what record are
you most proud of and why?
BOY, THAT A REALLY HARD QUESTION AND I DON'T THINK
THAT I CAN REALLY ANSWER IT.I CAN SAY THAT THIS PAST
YEAR I'VE STARTED LISTENING TO THE UZI RECORD AGAIN,
AND I'VE BEEN PRETTY BLOWN AWAY BY HOW CURRENT AND
FRESH IT STILL SOUNDS TODAY!THAT'S PRETTY AMAZING
CONSIDERING IT WAS RECORDED OVER 20 YEARS AGO FOR
ABOUT$500, SO I'M PRETTY PROUD OF THAT ONE RIGHT NOW.
.Your last three release's have all been on
different indie labels. Have you finally found a
home with Thrill Jockey and have you reached a point
where you are able to support yourself with your
music?
I DO FEEL THAT I'VE FOUND A HOME WITH THRILL JOCKEY.
THEY'VE BEEN GREAT AND REALLY SUPPORTIVE ABOVE AND
BEYOND WHAT I HAD BEEN ACCUSTOMED TO FROM A RECORD
LABEL. IT'S BEEN REALLY GOOD FOR ME, AND ALSO FOR MY
BAND. AS FAR AS MAKING A LIVING OFF OF MUSIC, I'M NOT
QUITE THERE YET, THOUGH I DEFINATLEY HAVE HAD A PRETTY
GOOD YEAR, MAINLY BECAUSE BMI WERE FINALLY FORCED TO
PAY BACK ROYALTIES TO ALL THE ARTISTS THEY SUPPOSEDLY
COULDN'T LOCATE (INCLUDING ARTISTS LIKE DAVID BOWIE
AND DOLLY PARTON!). SINCE I HADN'T BEEN PAID A PENNY
FROM THEM IN LIKE 15 YEARS, THAT WAS REALLY NICE. BUT
IN TERMS OF SUPPORTING MYSELF THROUGH MUSIC, I CAN'T
REALLY COMPLAIN BECAUSE SOME OF MY FINANCIAL STRUGGLES
WERE DEFINATLEY CAUSED BY CHOICES THAT I MADE, AND I
DON'T NECESSARILY REGRET!
How do you feel about the business of selling
records? You have been recording / releasing music
for 25+ years, is there anything you wish you could
go back and change and what advise would you give to
bands just starting out?
I JUST ALWAYS TRY TO USE MY MISTAKES AS A WAY TO
LEARN, SO I'VE DEFINATLEY LEARNED ALOT THROUGH THE
YEARS. I DON'T TEND TO LOOK BACK THAT MUCH, WHEN I DO
I CAN SEE SOME THINGS THAT I COULD HAVE HANDLED BETTER
(MAINLY IN TERMS OF BAND RELATIONS, RECORD LABEL
RELATIONS TYPE STUFF) BUT AT THE SAME TIME I DON'T
HAVE ANY BIG REGRETS, I THINK THAT I DID THE BEST THAT
I COULD DO AT THE TIME,AND IT'S ALL A BIG CRAPSHOOT
ANYWAY!
I GUESS MY ADVICE WOULD BE TO JUST KEEP LEARNING AND
LISTENING AND CHECKING OUT NEW THINGS. STAY INSPIRED!
indie / underground music and who (if any) do you
feel is leading the way?
I THINK THAT THE STATE OF INDIE MUSIC SEEMS TO BE
REALLY HEATHY RIGHT NOW. AT LEAST IN BOSTON, THE CLUB
SCENE IS FLOURISHING FOR THE FIRST TIME IN YEARS, AND
IT ALSO SEEMS THAT PEOPLE ARE LISTENING TO MORE MUSIC
NOW, MAYBE BECAUSE OF BEING ABLE TO EXPLORE AND CHECK
OUT NEW STUFF CHEAPLY VIA THE INTERENET. THERE SEEMS
TO BE LESS DEPENDENCE ON RADIO IN TERMS OF NEW BANDS
GETTING HEARD AND I THINK THAT IS A GOOD THING, AS
COMMERCIAL RADIO HAS BECOME A TOTAL JOKE PRETTY MUCH.
SO I THINK THAT IT'S VERY HEALTHY THAT THERE ARE NEW
And INEXPENSIVE WAYS TO GET YOUR MUSIC OUT.
THERE ARE SO MANY NEW TANGENTS HAPPENING NOW IN INDIE
MUSIC , THAT I CAN'T REALLY NAME ONE ACT THAT I FEEL
IS LEADING THE WAY. THINGS FEEL PRETTY SPLINTERED AND
I DON'T THINK THAT THE TERM "INDIE" DESCIBES A
PARTICULAR SOUND, AS IT HAD IN THE PAST. BUT I THINK
THAT IS A GOOD THING TOO.
After your first band White Women broke up you
formed The Dangerous Birds with Lori Green and after
releasing a 7" and compilation track the Birds also
folded. You were quoted as saying that the birds
"were to poppy, not violent enough, so I started
playing with men". You have come along way with
bands like Uzi, Live Skull and Come to a much
quieter place. Can you explain the journey?
THAT WAS KIND OF A STUPID THING FOR ME TO SAY ,
THE "PLAYING WITH MEN "THING. I THINK IT WAS MORE THAT
AFTER ABOUT 4 OR 5 YEARS PLAYING IN ALL WOMEN BANDS
,IT WAS A CONSCIOUS DECISION NOT TO DO THAT AGAIN,AT
LEAST FOR AWHILE! I THINK AT SOME POINT DURING LIVE
SKULL, I FELT THAT I WANTED TO PLAY IN A MORE "SONG "
ORIENTED BAND, AS OPPOSED TO A "SOUND " ORIENTED BAND.
I DEFINATLEY GOT CLOSER TO THAT IN COME, AND NOW I'VE
STRIPPED THINGS DOWN EVEN MORE, THOUGH I MUST SAY THAT
LATELY I'VE FOUND MYSELF WRITING LOUDER STUFF AGAIN.
I would imagine that performing these more
intimate songs live could be a little more stressful
because you cant hide behind a wall of guitars. It's
a totally different type of show. How was the transition? Any Cat Power type moments?
MY TWO CONSTANT PLAYING COMPANIONS, DANIEL COUGHLIN
(DRUMS) AND DAVE CURRY (VIOLA) ARE BOTH REALLY STRONG
AND SUPPORTIVE MUSICIANS ,SO I'VE ACTUALLY FELT PRETTY
COMFORTABLE ON STAGE.I DO (ON RARE OCCASIONS) PLAY
SOLO , AND THAT DEFINATLEY CAN BE A BIT HARROWING,
BUT I JUST TRY TO HAVE ASENSE OF HUMOR ABOUT. IF I
FUCK UP, I M MORE PRONE TO JUST LAUGH AT MYSELF, AS
OPPOSED TO KINDA FALLING APART. TO ME PLAYING LIVE IS
MORE ABOUT COMMUNICATION THAN PRECISION.
Your few most recent albums ( 2001's Been Here
And Gone, 2002's Your A Big Girl Now and 2004"s
Trust Not Thoes in Whom Without Some Touch Of
Madness) have a timeless quality to them. How do the
songs come together and what is the recording
process like? How important is the location itself
in regards to recording. Do you perffer a isolated
country setting or the hustle and chaos of the city?
IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SAY, BECAUSE EACH RECORD HAD
DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES,IE: DIFFERENT STUDIOS,
DIFFERENT ENGINEER /PRODUCERS AND THE SONGS CAME
TOGETHER QUITE DIFFERENTLY. I COME UP WITH THE BASICS
OF THE SONGS, THAT IS, THE CHORD CHANGES, MELODY, AND
LYRICS, AND THEN PLAY THEM WITH DAVE AND DANIEL, WHO
COME UP WITH THEIR OWN PARTS, AND ADD RYTHMIC AND
MELODIC IDEAS AS WELL.WE'LL WORK ON THE ARRANGEMENTS
TOGETHER, THOUGH I KIND OF RESERVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE
THE FINAL SAY. SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE I'LL MAKE THE
SKETCH FOR THE DRAWING, BUT WE ALL FILL IN THE COLORS.
IN TERMS OF STUDIOS I DON'T THINK I'M TOO AFFECTED BY
THE LOCATION IN TERMS OF COUNTRY VS. CITY. WE TEND TO
RECORD IN SHORT INTENSE BURSTS SO I RARELY LEAVE THE
STUDIO ANYWAY. SOMETIMES I FEEL THAT THERE ARE
BENEFITS TO RECORDING CLOSE TO HOME THOUGH. JUST NOT
HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT ACCOMODATIONS, OR WHERE TO GET
FOOD, AND TO BE ABLE TO LISTEN TO MIXES ON A STEREO
THAT YOU'RE ACCUSTOMED TO. IT KIND OF BEATS SLEEPING
IN THE STUDIO, OR GOING BACK TO A MOTEL 6 ROOM, BOTH
OF WHICH I'VE DONE IN THE PAST. SO I THINK THAT I
PREFER THAT, THOUGH I WOULDN'T SAY THAT IT WAS MORE
IMPORTANT THAN WORKING IN A GREAT STUDIO WITH A GREAT
ENGINEER OUT OF STATE.
Looking back over your career, what record are
you most proud of and why?
BOY, THAT A REALLY HARD QUESTION AND I DON'T THINK
THAT I CAN REALLY ANSWER IT.I CAN SAY THAT THIS PAST
YEAR I'VE STARTED LISTENING TO THE UZI RECORD AGAIN,
AND I'VE BEEN PRETTY BLOWN AWAY BY HOW CURRENT AND
FRESH IT STILL SOUNDS TODAY!THAT'S PRETTY AMAZING
CONSIDERING IT WAS RECORDED OVER 20 YEARS AGO FOR
ABOUT$500, SO I'M PRETTY PROUD OF THAT ONE RIGHT NOW.
.Your last three release's have all been on
different indie labels. Have you finally found a
home with Thrill Jockey and have you reached a point
where you are able to support yourself with your
music?
I DO FEEL THAT I'VE FOUND A HOME WITH THRILL JOCKEY.
THEY'VE BEEN GREAT AND REALLY SUPPORTIVE ABOVE AND
BEYOND WHAT I HAD BEEN ACCUSTOMED TO FROM A RECORD
LABEL. IT'S BEEN REALLY GOOD FOR ME, AND ALSO FOR MY
BAND. AS FAR AS MAKING A LIVING OFF OF MUSIC, I'M NOT
QUITE THERE YET, THOUGH I DEFINATLEY HAVE HAD A PRETTY
GOOD YEAR, MAINLY BECAUSE BMI WERE FINALLY FORCED TO
PAY BACK ROYALTIES TO ALL THE ARTISTS THEY SUPPOSEDLY
COULDN'T LOCATE (INCLUDING ARTISTS LIKE DAVID BOWIE
AND DOLLY PARTON!). SINCE I HADN'T BEEN PAID A PENNY
FROM THEM IN LIKE 15 YEARS, THAT WAS REALLY NICE. BUT
IN TERMS OF SUPPORTING MYSELF THROUGH MUSIC, I CAN'T
REALLY COMPLAIN BECAUSE SOME OF MY FINANCIAL STRUGGLES
WERE DEFINATLEY CAUSED BY CHOICES THAT I MADE, AND I
DON'T NECESSARILY REGRET!
How do you feel about the business of selling
records? You have been recording / releasing music
for 25+ years, is there anything you wish you could
go back and change and what advise would you give to
bands just starting out?
I JUST ALWAYS TRY TO USE MY MISTAKES AS A WAY TO
LEARN, SO I'VE DEFINATLEY LEARNED ALOT THROUGH THE
YEARS. I DON'T TEND TO LOOK BACK THAT MUCH, WHEN I DO
I CAN SEE SOME THINGS THAT I COULD HAVE HANDLED BETTER
(MAINLY IN TERMS OF BAND RELATIONS, RECORD LABEL
RELATIONS TYPE STUFF) BUT AT THE SAME TIME I DON'T
HAVE ANY BIG REGRETS, I THINK THAT I DID THE BEST THAT
I COULD DO AT THE TIME,AND IT'S ALL A BIG CRAPSHOOT
ANYWAY!
I GUESS MY ADVICE WOULD BE TO JUST KEEP LEARNING AND
LISTENING AND CHECKING OUT NEW THINGS. STAY INSPIRED!